At the time of the 1911 trial, the Brooklyn Eagle was Catholic leaning and noted for Yellow Journalism. One can't ignore its articles, but they are extremely biased, not just religiously but politically. Using the Eagle as a sole source is poor work.
Old Goat
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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why does the NWT refer to christ as the christ. to me this is taking away his Sovereignty
by goingthruthemotions init just kills me when i look at the scriptures in the nwt and alot of times when it refers to jesus christ it says the christ.
to me this is taking away his .
sovereignty.
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Old Goat
The NWT uses the phrase "the christ" because that's what the Greek text says: ὁ χριστός. ho christos. The christ. The NWT is a semi-literal translation. It pays particular attention to definite articles. F. W. Franz usually translated anarthrous words with an indefinite article (a, an). In Koine Greek (Biblical Greek), a substantive without an article takes an indefinite article in English. Greek does not have indefinite articles. For clarity (and so you don't have to run to a dictionary) a substantive is a word that acts as a noun.
ὁ χριστός (the christ) suggests that he was anointed in a particular sense, that he was the christ par excellence.
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Dilemma
by Gorbatchov ingorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.
she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.
the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.
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Old Goat
Let her read them.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
Focus,
If you say this article isn't in the eagle files, i'm certain you're correct. It is, however, available through two search funcitons. You've raised this issue to avoid presenting facts. You raised the issue of taxes and tax avoidance. Prove it. If you can't. say so.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
Facts, focus. Not vituperation. Grow some.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
Testimony of W. E. VanAmburg. Questions by Sparks for the Eagle. Transcript pages 203-204.
Q. We had some reference yesterday and the day before to a Cemetery Company, down in Pittsburg. Didn’t you take the name of that company or the title of that property in your name?
A. I did.
Q. What consideration was paid for the property?
A. $27,000. That was not my money that bought it. It Was the money of "The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." I conveyed to The United States Investment Company; they deeded it to the United Cemetery Company. There is no stock in the United Cemetery Company. May I explain that?
Q. Yes, if you will. I will be glad.
A. The Society receives contributions in a tentative way very frequently, for which we issue a receipt something like this: "The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Company," a corporation under the laws of the State of Pennsylvania, has received from John Smith $500 as a donation to the Society to be used in the propagation of its work as the proper officers see fit. However in consideration of the uncertainties of life, it is hereby especially stipulated that should said donor have need of any portion or portions of said donation, and shall make request for the same in writing before death, the same shall be reimbursed to the donor from the Society fund." This fund is not ours to use at liberty. It may be called for at any time. Therefore, the Society thought well to have some place where it would have a good asset. It looked around in various places, and they found a farm, and they arranged for a United Cemeteries Company as being the most stable, it could not run away, something satisfactory that could always be used as an asset.
Therefore, it deemed it wise to use $27,000 of the Society’s money on this investment. It bought the farm. It was then agreed to take it in my name, and I passed it on to the United States Investment Company, and the United States Investment Company passed it on to the United Cemeteries Company. That is in the deed of the United Cemeteries Company that that company is—that the United Cemetery Company is a benevolent organization for benevolent purposes; and it is thereby stipulated that half of the income from this cemetery shall be used for the preservation and upkeep of the cemetery, and the other half of the income should go to The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. That is in the deed on record in Pennsylvania. The directors of the United Cemetery Company do not get one cent from it. The United States Investment Company never got one cent from it. I never got one cent from it. It is simply a holding—it is simply on the part of the United States Investment Company, as a protection against some of those who have placed money with us, and who may call for such at some time. We are in honor bound to- protect these shares, and we have taken the best method we know of how to do it."
Each year there comes to the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society" from this, half of the income, the proceeds of the sales of lots. This being a benevolent organization, the lots are placed on sale in that cemetery in the suburbs of Pittsburgh at about one-fifth to one-tenth of what they can be gotten for elsewhere. There are lots— It is a fact. There are many people in the large cities that are not able to buy a cemetery lot, scarcely able to buy a place to bury their dead; and we arranged for plans there or plans were arranged through the Cemetery Company so that one could get a five grave plot for $15, large enough to bury the whole family. The Society has received income from that source, and is receiving it now, as it comes in, and were receiving it in 1911, and in 1909.
This Miracle wheat was raised on that property. I say yes, I beg your pardon. I don’t know. I simply speak of what I heard from hearsay. Of my own personal knowledge, I was not there when it was raised. The income from that property in 1911 I should judge was about two thousand dollars to three thousand dollars. That is, one half equaled the two thousand dollars which is the share we got for "The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society." The other half was used for the benefit of the cemetery.
Q. Whose signature is that, will you look?
A. I would say it was the Signature of Mr. C. T. Russell and F. W. Williamson.
I could not swear it is. I did not see them write it. It looks very much like it. I have been a worker with Mr. Russell twelve years; have seen his signature during that twelve years I presume a hundred times, maybe more. I say that resembles it very closely—his signature; but there are so many counterfeiters nowadays that can counterfeit them very closely. If they desired to do it, they might do it easily. How could I say it was his signature? I say it resembles it very closely. If there was no such thing as counterfeiting, I would say that it was his signature. I believe it is his signature.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
What tax, specifically, would Russell have avoided? You loaded a shotgun with supposition and fired it. The result is a miss. Saying he might have avoided some tax doesn't cut it as evidence. What tax did he avoid? How did he avoid it? Cite the statute. Was there an investigation? Cite the documents.
I would be surprised if many here haven't already read the B. Eagle articles. There's a file folder of them circulating on the net, and the paper is searchable from two sites at least. This is not new. And neither supposition nor the word of a newspaper with a religious agenda is creditable on its own.
Saying Russell "probably" did something is useless. Prove he did something. The time for suppostion is long gone. Shouting with out proof is just shouting.
And if you want help with your crusade, stop abusing people and present some reason.
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
A financial transaction is no proof of wrong doing. Most of what Russell did seems to have been done for the sake of privacy. There is innuendo here, but no proof. I'd like to see the proof. If there was fraud, where is it in the record? All we've done so far is to prove that Russell had something to do with th cemetery. As far as I can see, the claim that he owned or controled the who cemetery is not sustained. Even if he did, prove the fraud. Without proof, this is wild speculation.
As for the divorce transcript, I have a copy. Perhaps focus or the author of the Best History page quoted above can point to the page in the transcript where Maria Russell says United Cemeteries was a stock scheme?
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
I should add that Spill didn't know who the trustees were because he didn't meet with them. He knew and met with the directors, a different group. However, if I were president of a cemetery company, I'd want to know the details. Wouldn't you?
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The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)
by Focus inmost of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.
this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.
so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.
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Old Goat
This was before Income Tax. So there is little basis to assume a tax burden via income. Russell was obsesive over privacy. It was wrong, he thought, to appear generous. This came from his Presbyterian background and (I think) from some exposure to Plymouth Brethren practice. In any event, if the cemetery was meant to make money, it failed. The last plots were sold off by the society in more modern times at what must be considered a loss.
I mistrust newspaper articles. This one appears partially right. I suspect it would have been impossible for any of the original trustees to not know of Russell's connection to the cemetery, and they certainly knew his doctrine. Many of the Eagle articles do not hold up well when compared to the Russell v. Eagle transcript. But, other than reading the transcript and reports on Miracle Wheat, I haven't followed this. I'm more interested in other issues.
When I can, I'll scan the transcript for more relevant tesitmony.